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entrance. plus, veteran denied his dream to play college football, but this college athlete is being told he can't play for the ncaa this season. but first, the "news nation" is following saudi arabia's new message to the west over egypt. if you pull aid, we'll, quote, offer a helping hand. saudi arabia's foreign minister pledged his helping hand to the egyptian military has president obama faces growing calls from members of congress to cut off billions of dollars of aid to egypt. >> if we threaten to cut off aid and not do it, you lose your credibility and influence. >> with the recent violent crack dou crackdown, i do not see how we can continue aid. also, a court ordered that hosni mubarak, the former dictator deposed in the arab spring uprising, ordered he be
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released while awaiting trial. attorneys for mubarak said he could be free within days, though some say that's unlikely. the news came hours after mass gunmen attacked many buses carrying egyptian police officers, killing 25 of them execution style. mubarak's possible release adds a new volatile new element to the standoff which has resulted in hundreds of deaths on both sides. nbc's ayman mohyeldin is in koy cairo with more. set the tone for what you're seeing tonight. >> reporter: very dense dtense . a few minutes ago, a military plane landed here carrying the bodies of those 25 conscript soldiers that were killed, police soldiers that were killed. right now we are expecting the funerals for them to get underway as their bodies are returned to their family
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relativ relatives. heart wrenching scene from the people they've been interviewing. it does underscore the volatility of the northern sinai region. here in cairo, the interim government has ordered an investigation into the killing of 36 prisoners that were in the custody of the egyptian police force late last night. they were members of the muslim brotherhood. they were being transferred from one police station to a prison when allegedly they attempted to escape, forcing the police to fire tear gas into the truck carrying them and ultimately killing them. now, members of the muslim brotherhood have come out and said this was an execution of it's own, the people were not trying to escape. now the government has one more issue to deal with. that is going to fuel the anger among the supporters of the muslim brotherhood and their former president mohamed morsi. so a lot of developing pieces among which, as you mentioned,
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the former president hosni mubarak today being given a release order from a cairo court. >> ayman d that release order come as a great surprise, or had this been perhaps a buzz in the background there that this might take place? >> reporter: it was certainly a surprise, particularly for the timing of it and more importantly the fact of the volatility of the country that the court did not necessarily have to give the release order today. they have in previous days actually delayed some of the hearings involving the former president. he was scheduled to have a hearing a few days ago. because of the security situation, the court decided to push that back. this morning's decision caught everyone by surprise. now, keep in mind as we were saying, this does not necessarily mean he will be released, but it does clear one more hurdle for him, given the fact he still has several other cases that another court has now called for his release. if it does happen, it will add to a lot of the complex issues here in egypt and perhaps become a rallying cry for those saying that the military is slowly creeping back the dictatorship
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of the former president. >> unbelievable. ayman mohyeldin in cairo. thank you, ayman. joining me now, former state department official p.j. crowley and sirius x m's michael smerconish. p.j., let me start off with you. i want to play senator jack reed, who was on "meet the press" this sundays, discussing the u.s. aid, the billions of dollars sent to egypt from this country. let's play it. >> the acts of the last few days by the egyptian military are completely unconscionable. i do believe we have to change our aid. i think also we have to have included in the legislation and national security waiver. >> p.j., a spokesperson said the same thing, that the aid is under review. put this in perspective now that you have saudi arabia saying we will fill the hole if said is removed. it seems all along that we in the states were talking about possible influence in egypt because of these billions of
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dollars when, in fact, this money could have always been replaced by other arab nations. >> sure. i mean, it just highlights that we have a relatively weak hand we're plag we're playing. we're a relatively influential country, but our ability to direct what's happening in egypt and the ripple effects of democracy in that country, what it says about the reach and the position of the united states in the region, you know, events are being driven by others. we're reacting to those events. our overall kind of situation in the region, our narrative in the region is being undermined by events that we can no longer control. >> p.j., i think you put it so strongly, the weak hand that it seems we've been playing here. the saudi foreign minister said this. to those who declare they're stopping aid to egypt a waving such a threat. the arab and muslim nations are wealthy with their people and resources and will not shy away from offering a helping hand to
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egypt. saudi arabia, an ally of ours, how does this factor into perhaps the administration's next move? again, the president is under pressure to review the aid situation, which may be a nonfactor after all, p.j. >> i think it's larger than just the question of aid. i mean, the question of aid is about the nature of our relationship with the egyptian military. >> well, isn't the question of aid about influence? >> i don't think it's about influence. i think it's about a long-term relationship because we're giving the egyptian military good advice. the egyptian military is operating based on its own interests, not on our advice. what you're really seeing here is for all intents and purposes, a retrenchment of the arab awakening. saudi arabia, no fan to what we've called the arab spring. perhaps, you know, the egyptian military, they're not trying to redo the arab spring, they're
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trying to, you know, to undo it. that's the challenge here. so our narrative of promoting evolution to democratic or at least representative rule is receiving a significant setback in egypt. >> well, michael, let me bring you in. p.j. says the aid is not about influence, but when you have senator jack reid and others coming out saying the aid needs to be reviewed and if it the egyptian military does not comply -- and that's not the specific word, but that's certainly the implication, or come along in line with some of what the west would like to see happen that the aid would be pulled away. to me that implies that there are those in congress who believe this money brings influence or at least some credibility of what happens in egypt. >> i think the choice is one of principle versus pra matism. i think it's shortsighted. i worry about the next
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generation of jihadists we're going to stoke up by our involvement. we were sold the bill of goods. it's not that they hated us for our lattes and gap jeans and lap dances, but to the contrary it's our foreign policy, our so-called involvement in what they described a the arabian peninsula. tamron, here we are funding the side that overthrew a democratically elected president and then killed 600 to 700 protesters. it's truly unconscionable. >> as our team on the ground, ayman mohyeldin and others, have reported, both sides in this equation are not, if you will -- and i hate to put it so simply -- fans of the united states here. now you have to factor in, p.j., this hosni mubarak equation. you heard ayman in his report talk about that is again stoking the flames of what could certainly turn out to be far worse than the 1,000 lives already lost. >> well, picking up on michael's point, the message -- i mean, we had an opportunity to the -- to
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send a message six weeks ago. whatever we do now, the damage is done. the fact that we haven't called it a coup sends a real message to it the muslim brotherhood that, yeah, you're not going to respect the results of free and fair elections readless of what the muslim brotherhood was doing in terms of governance. we're creating a dynamic, and the longer t eer this crisis go it creating an opportunity for extremists to establish a new beachhead in egypt. it's not about the muslim brotherhood. they're not terrorists. but there are people who will be gravitating to this as a result of this mayhem. >> and michael, back to the warning from saudi arabia regarding the aid money will be provided if it's taken from the west, meaning the u.s., obviously. is this a larger message in that those in the west would like to see democracy but when you look at it, as p.j. pointed out, the government and how they work
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there and especially when you place in hosni mubarak perhaps being released or this story line that he could be, is that saudi arabia is saying this is how we handle crisis in this region, we allow our military to take out those who are a problem and then move ahead. >> you know, p.j. has the credentials better than i to answer a question like that. it seemed to me that maybe the intention was to give a little bit of cover to the obama administration to the extent that they really were going to pull back that funding because as you know, what we've done so far is put them on double secret probation. >> p.j., i'll let you get the last word since mike deferred to you. >> sure. i think this mubarak situation is a dilemma because it will fragment the political opposition that is supposed to play the -- you know, be the corner stone of the next government and ostensibly a government that is more inclusive than the last one. we're going to see the exact opposite. the muslim brotherhood, perhaps, forced to be outside the process
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and in -- will tighten the role the military has. that brings us back to 2011 and we're starting this all over again. >> unbelievable. p.j., thank you. michael, great pleasure having you on as well. still ahead, senator lindsey graham's warning on how this ongoing crisis in egypt could soon impact what you pay at the purpo pump. we're also following developing news. san diego mayor's bob filner possible first day back at city hall, if he shows up. his return would come on the heels of a recall effort to get him out of office. petitioners have just over a month to collect more than 100,000 signatures or 15% of san diego's registered voters in order to force a recall election. >> we have to get a real mayor. the first thing we have to do is get rid of the one that's pretending to be mayor and maligning our city to the entire world. >> san diego's a rather large
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city, and we deserve a mayor with integrity. >> i firmly believe it's time for the mayor to go. he should go yesterday. when late night talk show hosts and comedian, we are the butt of the joke in san diego. >> filner has refused to resign despite being accused of sexual harassment by more than a dozen women. joe fryer joins me now from burbank, california. we're waiting to see if bob filner shows up today. it was expected to be today. the bottom line is he knows he's not wanted by plenty of people in that city. >> certainly that's been the loud and clear message. polls show a good majority of the population want him to step down. so far today, no sign of filner at city hall. no word from his staff as to whether he will be returning today. this was the day that was originally set some time ago that he said he would return to work. lately there's been no real official word on whether he
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would be back in the office today. we can tell you that some of his supporters are going to be holding a rally within the hour. they want to get the word out that they feel there needs to be due process in this case, that there needs to be more of an investigation before filner is recalled or before people ask him to resign. many more people are already calling for him to resign. yesterday there was a big rally to kick off the efforts to try and start that recall. they have to get a bunch of signatures, more than 100,000 signatures in less than six weeks. that is very difficult. in fact, there have been six recall attempts for san diego mayors in the past. none of them have met that threshold. so it is incredibly difficult. it will take a lot of money and a lot of organization. >> but none of them probably have had the headlines like we've seen with this story. i mean, this is absolutely incredible, and to the point of one of the people featured in the sound that we heard, they feel like they're the laughing stock here. but here you have a mayor who is mia in a sense. this timeline of returning this
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week was one set by him and these days people put out tweets and anything else to say their whereabouts or intentions. we're halfway through though workday, joe. >> yeah, and there's absolutely no idea if he's going to be showing up today. one political science expert we spoke with this week said if this were sherlock holmes, it would be the case of the missing mayor. it'll be interesting to see if by the end of the day we hear any word on his whereabouts. >> all right, joe. thank you so much for the live update. still ahead, scotland yard says it's looking at new information in the death of princess diana. it this another outlandish conspiracy, or is there something here? plus, separate and not equal. plenty of outrage after reports that a proposed luxury building could have separate entrances for the rich and poor. we're going to talk with a new york lawmaker who represents that area. you can join the conversation. so many of you already have.
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tears today in court for olympic sprinter oscar pistorius as he was formally charged with murdering his girlfriend, model reeva steenkamp, on valentine's day. pistorius prayed with his family for 20 minutes before today's proceedings began. prosecutors said witnesses of screaming before the shooting are casting doubt on his story. now, the proceedings ended with a trial set to begin next march. all of this came on what would have been reeva steenkamp's 30th birthday. ronn allen joins us from south
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africa. a part of this story for people to understand the legal system and how things work there. talk to me about what happened today and why we're not seeing the trial until next march. >> reporter: well, we're only six months since the incident actually happened. this was a formal indictment after a lengthy police investigation where they gathered all their evidence and essentially made a formal charge. it is premeditated murder, the most serious criminal offense in terms of murder that can be brought in this country. the sentence is 25 years minimum to life in prison. so it's a very serious charge. the essence of the case is that the prosecution is alleging that there was some kind of argument. they say there are witnesses who heard the woman screaming and then there were gunshots. pistorius said in the middle of the night he was woken up by a noise, thought there was an intruder in the apartment, that he went down the hall to the bathroom where he thought the person was, firedhots with his
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gun. he says he felt he was trapped. remember, he's a double amputee who says he did not have time to put his prosthetic legs on, so he felt very vulnerable. in a moment of panic and terror, he says, he fired his gun. but the prosecutors are saying, look, regardless of whether who you thought it was, you intentionally fired a gun through a locked door, and that's murder, they say. so for pistorius, it's a very tough defense he has to put on. there are cases in this country, we understand, of people firing at intruders and claiming that they acted in self-defense essentially and they've gotten off. but again, here the prosecution is going for what seems to be a very -- the maximum penalty and a very strong case they think they have against pistorius. >> as you pointed out, it was six months ago. a long road ahead. we've seen high-profile cases here in the states involving popular athletes. he's one of the most popular in the world. six months since this awful killing took place. what's the reaction in south africa to him at this point?
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>> reporter: well, i think that a lot of people are seeing a side of oscar pistorius that they feared existed. he has something of a bad boy image here. you're right, he's a celebrity. he's everywhere here. he was a huge deal for this country in the 2012 olympics when he was the first disabled athlete to run against able-body competitors. he's brought a lot of glory here, but there's a dark side, if you will, to him that you hear about here. from steenkamp's family and friends, there are stories about him being violent. there were reports here in the media suggesting he might have been charged in two other cases, not related cases, where he fired a gun recklessly in a restaurant and through the roof of a car. so there's all that as well. the bottom line is that the process will go through the court here. if there's trial by judge -- there are no juries here in south africa, which is an interesting mention of their law here. but the bottom line is the
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authorities feel he intentionally fired a gun through a locked door at someone, whether it was a burglar or whomever. they say that is intentional act to commit murder. that's the bottom line for the prosecution. and it's a tough case, it would seem, for oscar pistorius, who hasn't denied firing the gun at all. >> well, this trial begins next march 3rd. thank you, ron, for the latest information. meanwhile, scotland yard is studying new information about the death of princess diana and her boyfriend in paris 16 years ago this very month. the new info alleges diana was killed by a british commando and makes references to a secret diary she kept. scotland yard recently received this information and is, quote, assessing its relevance and credibility. but authorities stress they are not reopening the investigation. joining me now "the daily beast"
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london editor. if they're not reopening the investigation, how is scotland yard explaining what's happening now? >> well, they're being very cagey. they're saying they're scoping the information. that in itself is quite serious. it might not sound like much, but when you consider that in 2006 they opened an investigation which cost $10 million to investigate all of the conspiracy theories, and that closed two years later and they decided that, no, all the crack pot theories weren't true. there was no evidence she'd been murdered despite what some people had said. now, for them to say they're even considering looking at this information is in itself quite significant. >> so this latest allegation, british police said this new evidence is that a former soldier bragged to his parents that the military was behind princess diana's death. what else do we know about this new evidence, if it's fair to call it evidence? >> yes, well, certainly the way this evidence came to light is
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complicated. there was a court-martial. one of the former soldiers is alleged to have told family members about this plot and the fact that the british government had covered up the murder of princess diana. now, we're not taking this word directly from the soldier. we're not taking it from someone who was supposed to have seen or heard this evidence themselves, but from a family member. that family member was then subsequently involved in a nasty divorce settlement, which has touched on issues over the children and potential threats made against the wife. when we heard about this news, i think a lot of people were very excited and interested to see what new revelations were going to come. the closer we look at the evidence and the way it's emerges, the more questions are being asked. >> all right, nico. thank you for the latest information. we'll see what scotland yard says next here, if anything, to your point. still ahead on "news nation" -- >> al qaeda's going to come uninvited into egypt, and you're going to have a failed state.
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maintenance company. big difference there. new york state assemblywoman linda rosenthal calls the plan a, quote, blatant attempt to segregate people. she's here with us now. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> we've reached out to the developer of this building. we did not hear back. as you pointed out in your assessment, this is a blatant attempt to segregate people. what did this developer say to the city? how did they explain this? >> they've submitted an application for permission to do this. they also intend to apply for 421 tax credits and to get massive air rights for doing this inclusionary housing. but in terms of explaining it, they call it off-site housing, which would then explain the separate entrance. however, it's on the same site. it's actually attached to the luxury, wealthy condo building. >> when you first heard this, i mean -- first of all, for people who don't live in the new york area, what is considered a
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low-income unit is $900 a month. >> right. >> i'm from texas. that could get you a nice house in a suburb. nevertheless, low-income is considered $900 a month. what did you think? >> well, my immediate reaction was this is reprehensible. why would they do this? what is the need to segregate low-income, working class people from the wealthy? there is no need, in my mind. >> i mean, obviously when people hear this, they would believe that somehow these people, this luxury developer believes that if you are quote/unquote poor or you can't afford one of their $1.3 million apartments, then you need the back door treatment. >> exactly. and that has no place in the 21st century, especially on the upper west side, which is an area of progressivism. >> have you heard from people in
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your area? >> yes, i've heard from my of my constituents who agree with me. they think it's horrible and the developer should revise his plans and integrate the low-income units with the other units, which actually has been done throughout the city. >> if it the developer does not do that, then does the company still get the tax break? are they able to go forward with this plan? is there anything to prevent them from having what we said was the separate and not equal treatment? >> well, the city gets to decide whether they meet all the regulations and then they can turn them down. >> so what do you believe will happen here? >> well, i think that because there's been a public outcry, the developer will probably come to the table and hopefully i expect to speak with him and try to convince him why it's not a good idea in the 21st century to have separate but unequal entrances and buildings for the poor and the wealthy. >> you put it in a very pleasant way. try to convince him or show him. >> yes, well, it's reprehensible and there's no need for it. >> thank you so much for your time. we'll see what the next stage brings in this one. coming up, the unintended
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consequences of hillary clinton's purported early start to a potential 2016 bid. we'll get the first read's take with senior political editor mark murray. the first read team says this is all presenting a unique set of problems for president obama. plus, a marine who fought for this country for five years now has to fight to play college football. >> i just got to step out on a leap of faith and keep pushing as if i know i'm going to play. >> how joining a recreational league on his marine base is now keeping him from playing in the ncaa. this one is our "news nation" gut check. enture card to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly any airline anytime. two words. double miles! this guy can act. wanna play dodge rock? oh, you guys! and with double miles you can actually use, you never miss the fun.
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welcome back. the turmoil in egypt is starting to have an effect on oil prices. they're slightly lower today after hitting a four-month high last week. now, it's feared the violence could disrupt oil supplies to the west. egypt, of course, is a major oil exporter, but it plays a key role in the flow of persian gulf
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oil and natural gas through the suez canal and a major pipeline. republican senator lindsey graham talked about the potential problems that could lie ahead. >> if you had new elections, the brotherhood would get creamed at the ballot box, but they're going to be a very formidable force on the streets. they're going to get a line with al qaeda. al qaeda is going to come uninvited into egypt, and you're going to have a failed state. that means gas prices go up for us. the suez canal gets compromised, and egypt becomes a staging area for terrorist acts. >> joining me now live, cnbc's senior commodities correspondent sharon epperson. we talked about the politic of this earlier and what's happening on the ground as far as the loss of life. as lindsey graham fears, he's put out the worst-case scenario. what are you seeing with oil prices? >> what has to happen first is
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an actual disruption of the flow through the suez canal and the pipeline, the key pipeline in that area. that has not occurred. in fact, the egyptian army has said they'll protect these key points because they know the economic significance of these passageways. keep in mind we're talking about 3 million barrels per day of crude oil and refined fuels as well as about 7% of sea born oil that goes through the canal on a daily basis. this is an extremely important choke point, as a lot of traders call it, in this area. but the fact remains there has not been any disruption. what we're seeing right now in terms of the price of oil that's near $107 a barrel here in the u.s. and the global benchmark price is closer to $110 a barrel, that's being raised because we're actually seeing is up police disruptions elsewhere in the middle east. we're seeing them in libya. in fact, the supplies coming out of that country are down to 2011
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levels. that's what's having more of an impact on oil than what is happening in egypt. the concern about egypt is that the unrest will spread throughout the middle east to countries that are actually major oil producers. that is the real concern because right now we've seen no disruption through the suez canal. >> so right now, sharon, and this kind of happened with the arab spring. there was a fear that the worst-case scenario could happen. it was not realized. are we at a wait-and-see point here again? >> we are at a wait-and-see point here again. i think a lot of consumers can be relieved by the fact we're not seeing supply disruptions right now in the suez canal. we're not seeing a major impact in gasoline prices right now. in fact, prices at the pump are only just a little bit above $3.50 for the national average. across the southern part of the country, we're seeing prices for statewide averages that are below $3.50 a gallon. we're seeing prices down significantly from where they were just a month ago. so that's the good news.
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yes, traders are waiting to see what's going to happen, and many say that the fear that something could happen, it's what's going to keep oil prices. at an elevated level, but they're not as severe as they could be because we have not had an actual supply disruption in egypt as of now. >> okay, sharon. thanks so much. back to politics and the talk about hillary clinton 2016 run is no longer just talk from her speech last week regarding voting rights and her planned address next month on national security surveillance. clinton has produced some, quote, unintended consequences, including on obama. joining me now live with details, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. of course, mark, we know nothing is official here. but certainly when you look at the voting rights address and the remarks on national security, it certainly seems as if she's preparing for something. what are the unintended consequences you and the team were referring to? >> it's not surprising hillary clinton was eventually going to
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dip her toes in the presidential waters, particularly if she was thinking about making or at least preparing for such a move. what is surprising is how early it's come. those do have some unintended consequences. when you start dipping your toes in those domestic political waters, your poll numbers come down. hillary clinton had some sky-high approval ratings after her tenure of secretary of state. as soon as you start wading in issues like voting rights, talking about surveillance when it comes to national security, you're bound to lose some independents and republicans as a democrat would end up doing. another unintended consequence is that you end up getting some tough press criticism. we've seen just in the past week hillary clinton has gotten some tough media scrutiny, particularly from "the new york times." >> as it relates to the obama administration and these last things that it would like to see accomplished here, what happens behind the scenes? is there dialogue that takes place? i mean, you can't stop a moving
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train. it certainly seems hillary 2016 is just that. but there has to be, i would imagine, some conversations of wrangling or pacing that's better. >> well, that's right. of course, you know, she did meet not too long ago with president obama. they had lunch together. i'm sure we're not privy to their conversation, but i wouldn't be surprised if they somehow are kind of talking about plans. tamron, just to mention a third unintended consequence, and this relates to president obama. the more the conversation is focused on 2016, people looking towards the next presidential race kind of hurts him in a little bit of respect. the center of power moves from 1600 pennsylvania avenue to the campaign trail. of course, we're not dealing with the campaign trail right now. no one is officially running for president. the more the spotlight is on the next presidential contest as opposed to the budget battle or immigration reform probably isn't good news for the obama white house. >> all right, mark murray. thank you very much. i know you'll keep track of all of the unintended consequences as this train continues to plow over all of us very soon.
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with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next. a rally is underway at the oklahoma state capitol right now over the fate of a 3-year-old girl known as baby veronica. both veronica's father dustin brown and her adoptive parents matt and melanie are under a gag order after a hearing friday. before that hearing, both sides made it clear that they are not giving up their fight. >> if it takes another week, another month, another decade, we're not going anywhere. but of course, we believe what's best for veronica is resolution now. >> mr. brown has rights. he is a loving father.
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>> and supporters of the family have held vigil for them last night. the couple travels from south carolina to oklahoma to get veronica returned to them. they adopted veronica from her biological mother after she asked dustin brown for custody. now, he says he had no idea that he was signing away his parsa pl rights. a south carolina court initially decided that since he was a member of the cherokee nation, he should have full custody of his daughter. that was overturned by the supreme court ruling this summer. now he's being ordered to return veronica to the couple, but that's not happened. msnbc's legal analyst lisa bloom joins me live. i know you've been following this case. we have been as well. it's an incredible development and i don't want to say complica complicated, but in a way it is because of the fact the child's biological father is cherokee. what is the next legal move, as it seems he's supposed to turn her over? >> well, he certainly cannot
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violate a court order. i practice family law here in california. many people say to me, you know, i just don't like this court order. i'm going to take the kid and go across the state or another country. that's absolutely the worst thing to do. if you violate a court order, now you're in contempt of court. the police can come after you, can take the child. you can go to jail or even prison. that's the wrong thing to do. the right thing to do is to go back into court and seek a modification of the order or to appeal. now, this has been a very complicated case. it's been in state courts in south carolina, in oklahoma, as you say. it's gone to the u.s. supreme court. there's been a lot of litigation. my opinion about this case is, the root cause is the courts take far too long to decide cases like this. this is a little girl who's been jerked back and forth for two years between adoptive parents and her biological father. that's not healthy for children. that's not healthy for families. that's what has to change. >> well, the judge issued a gag order preventing any of the sides from making any comments.
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the situation has been so heartbreaking that the governors of oklahoma and south carolina have spoken on the phone. there are supporters on both sides. to your point, this does boil down not to emotions, even though this has been stoked for so very long. this boils down to the law here. lisa, what happens next? >> well, what happens next i would assume is going to be further appeals unless this father continues to decide to take the law into his own hands and hold this child against a court order. look, i'm very sympathetic to him. i think he's got a good story to tell about his position. he was tricked into signing away his parental rights. he tried very hard when the mother was pregnant to say he wanted custody of this child. he never wanted her to give up custody. it appears she did a number of things that were somewhat underhanded in signing away the rights. he's fought from the very beginning. he was deployed to iraq. you know, he was trying to get custody of his daughter. this is a very sympathetic story. one would also hope that perhaps all of the adults here could get
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together and have custody and visitation and they could all love this child. every child should have three or four adults fighting to love and raise them. >> to your point, this has gone on so long now that the emotions and the hardship that it's taken -- you pointed out dustin's story. they have a room set for veronica at their home as they've planned for her to be in one day. this is at a point now where no one knows how this is going to come out. we'll continue to follow it. lisa, thank you. some developing news. the white house say it was given a heads up that journalist glen greenwald's partner would be detained. now, greenwald's partner was held for nearly nine hours at london's heathrow airport under anti-terror legislation. in response, greenwald says he's now going to be, quote, aggressive about printing more stories with a focus on england's secret security tactics. white house spokesperson josh
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it's time now for the "news nation" gut check. a u.s. marine corps veteran is fighting the ncaa to play football this fall at middle tennessee state university. now, the ncaa says steven rhodes is ineligible to play because while he was in the military, he joined a recreational football league. the university is appealing this decision. >> initially they said he could not play this year, and he would lose two years of eligibility because the 12 games he played
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were over the course of two years. >> i just got to step out on a leap of faith and keep pushing as if i know i'm going to play on the 29th. >> joining me now live, pat fordy, covering this story for yahoo! sports. thank you for your time. >> my pleasure. >> what is the ncaa rule here? >> well, the rule is basically put in place to keep international professional athletes from coming to the united states and playing amateur sports. it would normally catch basketball players, maybe tennis or golf. it was never really intended to stop a marine veteran who played in a recreational league from playing college football. but that's the way the rule has been written. it's been modified several times over the years. it's basically bad wording to an outdated rule. that's what middle tennessee is trying to get overthrown. >> why are we at this point? why isn't this dusted off, amended, resolved, move on? >> it should be. it should be amended quickly.
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maybe it will be. i spoke with the president of middle tennessee state today. he's well connected at the ncaa on a number of high-powered committees there. he has spoken with ncaa officials. he's confident that mr. rhodes will be cleared to play, and he said he thinks it could happen soon. but we're still waiting to hear. the ncaa wheels of justice have always grinded very, very slowly. hopefully in this case they get on with it. >> that's too bad. it obviously would be good for the ncaa. it's good for the school. you have this veteran who sacrificed five years of his life by choice for this country. we thank him for it. he just wants to play football. he played in basically an intermural league at his base. this wasn't some kind of official league. >> no, there was nothing there that violated any amateur status or anything like that or should jeopardize his eligibility at all. the ncaa has taken pr hit after pr hit after pr hit in the last year. this is a fight it really doesn't need. i think they need to get this
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situation rectified very quickly for their own sake. >> all right, pat. thank you so much for joining us. so you heard the details there from pat. what does your gut tell you? should the ncaa change its rules and fast to allow steven rhodes to play this season on the 29th? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast that vote. that does it for this edition of "news nation." thank you so much for joining me. glad to be back from vacation. i'm tamron hall. i'll be back tomorrow. "the cycle" is next. [ male announcer ] it's the adt back to school savings event.
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